"The only way to rectify our reasonings is to make them as tangible as those of the Mathematicians, so that we can find our error at a glance, and when there are disputes among persons, we can simply say: Let us calculate [calculemus], without further ado, to see who is right." Gottfried Leibniz ( 1646 - 1716)
The intro
If you can identify and verify for yourself, a possible source that will help you understand your reality better in less time than you spend every day on surfing the net, the question is; why won't you do it? I apologize for the post becoming a bit lengthy but the extra points were added in view of the feedback to the original (short) post.
I have posted this simple challenge derived from the message of the Quran. The only message that can be 100% verified from within the Quran and needless to say a distinction only enjoyed by the Quran. Please don't take this as an attack on other religious manuscripts. The objective is to get to the truth as Revealed by the same and only God of mankind and beyond.
Actually, there are a number of validations and verifications on offer but the one that is understood and appreciated easily has to be Quran's being a Self-Referenced work, the term is a reference to the use of a word (an actual word not implied) and its mention within a body of text. In Quran's case, the added counts and cross-referencing of words reaches such complexity that it is actually not possible to replicate it not now and not thousands of years into the future.
Before the skeptics jump in, here is a very simple test and a challenge, which you can control and verify with ease. Just suspend your personal beliefs for a few hours, disregard who believes in the message of the Quran or how it got here or even what it says, this is purely for those who would like to better understand 1.5 billion fellow earth dwellers and why they are all gaga over their beliefs and perhaps join them/us.
Mind you this has nothing to do with the code 19 of Rashad Khalifa on which the jury is still out for some or the more robust verification through the positional notation centered around the number seven done by Abduldaen Al kaheel. And not to mention the excellent work done by Dr. Eng. Halis Aydemir. Before diving into their work, (short introhttp://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2010/12/short-intro-to-four-serious-attempts-at.html ) my humble advise is to first attempt the watered down test below in order to appreciate the complexity at hand. For those who are not satisfied with the simplified version, you may add the extra elements after researching the material in the link above.
The Test
You may take up this challenge individually or work in a group. Fire up your latest word processor and try to write or copy-paste an existing text, 10 to 15 pages in length on any subject of your choosing. Stop after the first three sentences and identify let us say 10 to 15 words/terms, you choose a number. Now try finishing or modify the document by ensuring that each of the chosen word/term is repeated exactly 50 times (or a similar number, again you choose) without any sentence contradicting another sentence in the document (by the way you can use the word contradiction just once) and each chosen word and the opposite of each word (example high and low) is repeated exactly the same number of times or in a logical multiple, alternatively use the words corresponding to an established fact, example; when referring to celestial events, use the word ''month'' 12 times or ''day'' 365 times both incidentally true of the Quran.**
IMPORTANT; Please keep in mind these are just two examples, in fact, two examples within one substructure chosen on the basis of ease of verification. The complete structure is too mind-boggling to even attempt. The real miracle is that we may not be able to seriously attempt it let alone successfully duplicate it however we are able to verify the complete (so far discovered) structure with middle school math. One step at a time, Think of this test as a simplified metro map. Have fun, see you back in ......... well whenever you are ready or ready to give up :) Oh yes, just to make it interesting, do it in rhythmic prose.
Now imagine doing the same for a document with almost 80,000 words, without a word processor with word count functions, no spell check or grammar check and no Internet to readily verify facts in order to fulfill the noncontradiction constraint. This is not a memory trick, not even close, the words used must be in context. Besides no other book/manuscript in the history of the world has been identified to contain even 1% complexity of this single occurrence. Now try doing it in the middle of a desert community with no think tanks, no centers of learning and cover multiple knowledge domains. Have dozens of community members commit it to memory word for word. Then go on to implement everything you have written within a couple of decades and change not only deeply held religious beliefs but change the socio-economic fabric of the community and rewrite every law of the land, all this while fighting off enemies by the trainloads on a daily basis.
All the skeptics have to do is post an equal or better work, new or already in existence :) The real question once again; Why won't you do it?
Note: fellow Muslims you may attempt it to strengthen your belief.
NOTE: I REPEAT, THE EXAMPLE BELOW IS TO DEMONSTRATE THE COMPLEXITY OF AN ALPHA NUMERIC TEXT, THE ACTUAL PATTERN RUNS INTO THOUSANDS OF VARIABLES.
**Data on day and days month in the Quran by Edip Yuksel (please note I don't have any association with E. Yuksel)
The original discovery is credited to different scholars since the fifties, Yuksel's encounter demonstrates the fact that just because the data is embedded in the Quran does not mean we don't have to work hard to extract it.
The word "Day" Arabic “YWM” in its singular form is repeated 365 times in the table below, please note the following occurrences are related to a definite methodology and can be found on Edip Yuksel's site as an example, the four occurrences in Chapter 69:15-18 is excluded based on clear cut linguistic issues meaning the use of suffix render it other than the “YWM” in its singular form. That in itself raises the complexity to a new level, since the Author was not mindlessly counting words but counting them with the context in mind hence a mere word counter function of the word processor will not do :)
The data
Before you start to verify the full count below please keep this summary in mind;
365 ywm day
5 ywm-kum your day
5 ywm-hum their day
3 ywm-ayn two days
27 ayyaam days
70 ywm-ezen that day
----------
Now for the full count
Sura and Verse
1 >>> 1:4
2 >>> 2:8
3 >>> 2:48
4 >>> 2:62
5 >>> 2:85
6 >>> 2:113
7 >>> 2:123
8 >>> 2:126
9 >>> 2:174
10 >>> 2:177
11 >>> 2:212
12 >>> 2:228
13 >>> 2:232
14 >>> 2:249
15 >>> 2:254
16 >>> 2:259
17 >>> 2:259
18 >>> 2:264
19 >>> 2:281
20 >>> 3:9
21 >>> 3:25
22 >>> 3:30
23 >>> 3:55
24 >>> 3:77
25 >>> 3:106
26 >>> 3:114
27 >>> 3:155
28 >>> 3:161
29 >>> 3:166
30 >>> 3:180
31 >>> 3:185
32 >>> 3:194
33 >>> 4:38
34 >>> 4:39
35 >>> 4:59
36 >>> 4:87
37 >>> 4:109
38 >>> 4:136
39 >>> 4:141
40 >>> 4:159
41 >>> 4:162
42 >>> 5:3
43 >>> 5:3
44 >>> 5:5
45 >>> 5:14
46 >>> 5:36
47 >>> 5:64
48 >>> 5:69
49 >>> 5:109
50 >>> 5:119
51 >>> 6:12
52 >>> 6:15
53 >>> 6:22
54 >>> 6:73
55 >>> 6:73
56 >>> 6:93
57 >>> 6:128
58 >>> 6:141
59 >>> 6:158
60 >>> 7:14
61 >>> 7:32
62 >>> 7:51
63 >>> 7:53
64 >>> 7:59
65 >>> 7:163
66 >>> 7:163
67 >>> 7:167
68 >>> 7:172
69 >>> 8:41
70 >>> 8:41
71 >>> 8:48
72 >>> 9:3
73 >>> 9:18
74 >>> 9:19
75 >>> 9:25
76 >>> 9:29
77 >>> 9:35
78 >>> 9:36
79 >>> 9:44
80 >>> 9:45
81 >>> 9:77
82 >>> 9:99
83 >>> 9:108
84 >>> 10:15
85 >>> 10:28
86 >>> 10:45
87 >>> 10:60
88 >>> 10:92
89 >>> 10:93
90 >>> 11:3
91 >>> 11:8
92 >>> 11:26
93 >>> 11:43
94 >>> 11:60
95 >>> 11:77
96 >>> 11:84
97 >>> 11:98
98 >>> 11:99
99 >>> 11:103
100 >>> 11:103
101 >>> 11:105
102 >>> 12:54
103 >>> 12:92
104 >>> 14:18
105 >>> 14:31
106 >>> 14:41
107 >>> 14:42
108 >>> 14:44
109 >>> 14:48
110 >>> 15:35
111 >>> 15:36
112 >>> 15:38
113 >>> 16:25
114 >>> 16:27
115 >>> 16:27
116 >>> 16:63
117 >>> 16:80
118 >>> 16:80
119 >>> 16:84
120 >>> 16:89
121 >>> 16:92
122 >>> 16:111
123 >>> 16:124
124 >>> 17:13
125 >>> 17:14
126 >>> 17:52
127 >>> 17:58
128 >>> 17:62
129 >>> 17:71
130 >>> 17:97
131 >>> 18:19
132 >>> 18:19
133 >>> 18:47
134 >>> 18:52
135 >>> 18:105
136 >>> 19:15
137 >>> 19:15
138 >>> 19:15
139 >>> 19:26
140 >>> 19:33
141 >>> 19:33
142 >>> 19:33
143 >>> 19:37
144 >>> 19:38
145 >>> 19:38
146 >>> 19:39
147 >>> 19:85
148 >>> 19:95
149 >>> 20:59
150 >>> 20:64
151 >>> 20:100
152 >>> 20:101
153 >>> 20:102
154 >>> 20:104
155 >>> 20:124
156 >>> 20:126
157 >>> 21:47
158 >>> 21:104
159 >>> 22:2
160 >>> 22:9
161 >>> 22:17
162 >>> 22:47
163 >>> 22:55
164 >>> 22:69
165 >>> 23:16
166 >>> 23:65
167 >>> 23:100
168 >>> 23:111
169 >>> 23:113
170 >>> 23:113
171 >>> 24:2
172 >>> 24:24
173 >>> 24:37
174 >>> 24:64
175 >>> 25:14
176 >>> 25:17
177 >>> 25:22
178 >>> 25:25
179 >>> 25:26
180 >>> 25:27
181 >>> 25:69
182 >>> 26:38
183 >>> 26:82
184 >>> 26:87
185 >>> 26:88
186 >>> 26:135
187 >>> 26:155
188 >>> 26:156
189 >>> 26:189
190 >>> 26:189
191 >>> 27:83
192 >>> 27:87
193 >>> 28:41
194 >>> 28:42
195 >>> 28:61
196 >>> 28:62
197 >>> 28:65
198 >>> 28:71
199 >>> 28:72
200 >>> 28:74
201 >>> 29:13
202 >>> 29:25
203 >>> 29:36
204 >>> 29:55
205 >>> 30:12
206 >>> 30:14
207 >>> 30:43
208 >>> 30:55
209 >>> 30:56
210 >>> 30:56
211 >>> 31:33
212 >>> 32:5
213 >>> 32:25
214 >>> 32:29
215 >>> 33:21
216 >>> 33:44
217 >>> 33:66
218 >>> 34:30
219 >>> 34:40
220 >>> 34:42
221 >>> 35:14
222 >>> 36:54
223 >>> 36:55
224 >>> 36:59
225 >>> 36:64
226 >>> 36:65
227 >>> 37:20
228 >>> 37:21
229 >>> 37:26
230 >>> 37:144
231 >>> 38:16
232 >>> 38:26
233 >>> 38:53
234 >>> 38:78
235 >>> 38:79
236 >>> 38:81
237 >>> 39:13
238 >>> 39:15
239 >>> 39:24
240 >>> 39:31
241 >>> 39:47
242 >>> 39:60
243 >>> 39:67
244 >>> 40:15
245 >>> 40:16
246 >>> 40:16
247 >>> 40:17
248 >>> 40:17
249 >>> 40:18
250 >>> 40:27
251 >>> 40:29
252 >>> 40:30
253 >>> 40:32
254 >>> 40:33
255 >>> 40:46
256 >>> 40:49
257 >>> 40:51
258 >>> 40:52
259 >>> 41:19
260 >>> 41:40
261 >>> 41:47
262 >>> 42:7
263 >>> 42:45
264 >>> 42:47
265 >>> 43:39
266 >>> 43:65
267 >>> 43:68
268 >>> 44:10
269 >>> 44:16
270 >>> 44:40
271 >>> 44:41
272 >>> 45:17
273 >>> 45:26
274 >>> 45:27
275 >>> 45:28
276 >>> 45:34
277 >>> 45:35
278 >>> 46:5
279 >>> 46:20
280 >>> 46:20
281 >>> 46:21
282 >>> 46:34
283 >>> 46:35
284 >>> 50:20
285 >>> 50:22
286 >>> 50:30
287 >>> 50:34
288 >>> 50:41
289 >>> 50:42
290 >>> 50:42
291 >>> 50:44
292 >>> 51:12
293 >>> 51:13
294 >>> 52:9
295 >>> 52:13
296 >>> 52:46
297 >>> 54:6
298 >>> 54:8
299 >>> 54:19
300 >>> 54:48
301 >>> 55:29
302 >>> 56:50
303 >>> 56:56
304 >>> 57:12
305 >>> 57:12
306 >>> 57:13
307 >>> 57:15
308 >>> 58:6
309 >>> 58:7
310 >>> 58:18
311 >>> 58:22
312 >>> 60:3
313 >>> 60:6
314 >>> 62:9
315 >>> 64:9
316 >>> 64:9
317 >>> 64:9
318 >>> 65:2
319 >>> 66:7
320 >>> 66:8
321 >>> 68:24
322 >>> 68:39
323 >>> 68:42
324 >>> 69:35
325 >>> 70:4
326 >>> 70:8
327 >>> 70:26
328 >>> 70:43
329 >>> 70:44
330 >>> 73:14
331 >>> 73:17
332 >>> 74:9
333 >>> 74:46
334 >>> 75:1
335 >>> 75:6
336 >>> 76:7
337 >>> 76:10
338 >>> 76:11
339 >>> 76:27
340 >>> 77:12
341 >>> 77:13
342 >>> 77:14
343 >>> 77:35
344 >>> 77:38
345 >>> 78:17
346 >>> 78:18
347 >>> 78:38
348 >>> 78:39
349 >>> 78:40
350 >>> 79:6
351 >>> 79:35
352 >>> 79:46
353 >>> 80:34
354 >>> 82:15
355 >>> 82:17
356 >>> 82:18
357 >>> 82:19
358 >>> 83:5
359 >>> 83:6
360 >>> 83:11
361 >>> 83:34
362 >>> 85:2
363 >>> 86:9
364 >>> 90:14
365 >>> 101:4
The word Days, plural, repeated 30 times (3 ywm-ayn two days + 27 ayyaam days) Even in this split numbers one can make a strong argument for its correspondence to sidereal period and synodic period. Add to it the fact that Moon (قمر) is mentioned 27 times in the Quran and once as the crescent.
1 >>> 2:80
2 >>> 2:184
3 >>> 2:184
4 >>> 2:185
5 >>> 2:196
6 >>> 2:203
7 >>> 2:203
8 >>> 3:24
9 >>> 3:41
10 >>> 3:140
11 >>> 5:89
12 >>> 7:54
13 >>> 10:3
14 >>> 10:102
15 >>> 11:7
16 >>> 11:65
17 >>> 14:5
18 >>> 22:28
19 >>> 25:59
20 >>> 32:4
21 >>> 34:18
22 >>> 41:9
23 >>> 41:10
24 >>> 41:12
25 >>> 41:16
26 >>> 45:14
27 >>> 50:38
28 >>> 57:4
29 >>> 69:7
30 >>> 69:24
The word Month repeated 12 times
1 >>> 2:185
2 >>> 2:185
3 >>> 2:194
4 >>> 2:194
5 >>> 2:217
6 >>> 5:2
7 >>> 5:97
8 >>> 9:36
9 >>> 34:12
10 >>> 34:12
11 >>> 46:15
12 >>> 97:3
The intro
If you can identify and verify for yourself, a possible source that will help you understand your reality better in less time than you spend every day on surfing the net, the question is; why won't you do it? I apologize for the post becoming a bit lengthy but the extra points were added in view of the feedback to the original (short) post.
I have posted this simple challenge derived from the message of the Quran. The only message that can be 100% verified from within the Quran and needless to say a distinction only enjoyed by the Quran. Please don't take this as an attack on other religious manuscripts. The objective is to get to the truth as Revealed by the same and only God of mankind and beyond.
Actually, there are a number of validations and verifications on offer but the one that is understood and appreciated easily has to be Quran's being a Self-Referenced work, the term is a reference to the use of a word (an actual word not implied) and its mention within a body of text. In Quran's case, the added counts and cross-referencing of words reaches such complexity that it is actually not possible to replicate it not now and not thousands of years into the future.
Before the skeptics jump in, here is a very simple test and a challenge, which you can control and verify with ease. Just suspend your personal beliefs for a few hours, disregard who believes in the message of the Quran or how it got here or even what it says, this is purely for those who would like to better understand 1.5 billion fellow earth dwellers and why they are all gaga over their beliefs and perhaps join them/us.
Mind you this has nothing to do with the code 19 of Rashad Khalifa on which the jury is still out for some or the more robust verification through the positional notation centered around the number seven done by Abduldaen Al kaheel. And not to mention the excellent work done by Dr. Eng. Halis Aydemir. Before diving into their work, (short introhttp://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2010/12/short-intro-to-four-serious-attempts-at.html ) my humble advise is to first attempt the watered down test below in order to appreciate the complexity at hand. For those who are not satisfied with the simplified version, you may add the extra elements after researching the material in the link above.
The Test
You may take up this challenge individually or work in a group. Fire up your latest word processor and try to write or copy-paste an existing text, 10 to 15 pages in length on any subject of your choosing. Stop after the first three sentences and identify let us say 10 to 15 words/terms, you choose a number. Now try finishing or modify the document by ensuring that each of the chosen word/term is repeated exactly 50 times (or a similar number, again you choose) without any sentence contradicting another sentence in the document (by the way you can use the word contradiction just once) and each chosen word and the opposite of each word (example high and low) is repeated exactly the same number of times or in a logical multiple, alternatively use the words corresponding to an established fact, example; when referring to celestial events, use the word ''month'' 12 times or ''day'' 365 times both incidentally true of the Quran.**
IMPORTANT; Please keep in mind these are just two examples, in fact, two examples within one substructure chosen on the basis of ease of verification. The complete structure is too mind-boggling to even attempt. The real miracle is that we may not be able to seriously attempt it let alone successfully duplicate it however we are able to verify the complete (so far discovered) structure with middle school math. One step at a time, Think of this test as a simplified metro map. Have fun, see you back in ......... well whenever you are ready or ready to give up :) Oh yes, just to make it interesting, do it in rhythmic prose.
Now imagine doing the same for a document with almost 80,000 words, without a word processor with word count functions, no spell check or grammar check and no Internet to readily verify facts in order to fulfill the noncontradiction constraint. This is not a memory trick, not even close, the words used must be in context. Besides no other book/manuscript in the history of the world has been identified to contain even 1% complexity of this single occurrence. Now try doing it in the middle of a desert community with no think tanks, no centers of learning and cover multiple knowledge domains. Have dozens of community members commit it to memory word for word. Then go on to implement everything you have written within a couple of decades and change not only deeply held religious beliefs but change the socio-economic fabric of the community and rewrite every law of the land, all this while fighting off enemies by the trainloads on a daily basis.
All the skeptics have to do is post an equal or better work, new or already in existence :) The real question once again; Why won't you do it?
Note: fellow Muslims you may attempt it to strengthen your belief.
NOTE: I REPEAT, THE EXAMPLE BELOW IS TO DEMONSTRATE THE COMPLEXITY OF AN ALPHA NUMERIC TEXT, THE ACTUAL PATTERN RUNS INTO THOUSANDS OF VARIABLES.
**Data on day and days month in the Quran by Edip Yuksel (please note I don't have any association with E. Yuksel)
The original discovery is credited to different scholars since the fifties, Yuksel's encounter demonstrates the fact that just because the data is embedded in the Quran does not mean we don't have to work hard to extract it.
The word "Day" Arabic “YWM” in its singular form is repeated 365 times in the table below, please note the following occurrences are related to a definite methodology and can be found on Edip Yuksel's site as an example, the four occurrences in Chapter 69:15-18 is excluded based on clear cut linguistic issues meaning the use of suffix render it other than the “YWM” in its singular form. That in itself raises the complexity to a new level, since the Author was not mindlessly counting words but counting them with the context in mind hence a mere word counter function of the word processor will not do :)
The data
Before you start to verify the full count below please keep this summary in mind;
365 ywm day
5 ywm-kum your day
5 ywm-hum their day
3 ywm-ayn two days
27 ayyaam days
70 ywm-ezen that day
----------
Now for the full count
Sura and Verse
1 >>> 1:4
2 >>> 2:8
3 >>> 2:48
4 >>> 2:62
5 >>> 2:85
6 >>> 2:113
7 >>> 2:123
8 >>> 2:126
9 >>> 2:174
10 >>> 2:177
11 >>> 2:212
12 >>> 2:228
13 >>> 2:232
14 >>> 2:249
15 >>> 2:254
16 >>> 2:259
17 >>> 2:259
18 >>> 2:264
19 >>> 2:281
20 >>> 3:9
21 >>> 3:25
22 >>> 3:30
23 >>> 3:55
24 >>> 3:77
25 >>> 3:106
26 >>> 3:114
27 >>> 3:155
28 >>> 3:161
29 >>> 3:166
30 >>> 3:180
31 >>> 3:185
32 >>> 3:194
33 >>> 4:38
34 >>> 4:39
35 >>> 4:59
36 >>> 4:87
37 >>> 4:109
38 >>> 4:136
39 >>> 4:141
40 >>> 4:159
41 >>> 4:162
42 >>> 5:3
43 >>> 5:3
44 >>> 5:5
45 >>> 5:14
46 >>> 5:36
47 >>> 5:64
48 >>> 5:69
49 >>> 5:109
50 >>> 5:119
51 >>> 6:12
52 >>> 6:15
53 >>> 6:22
54 >>> 6:73
55 >>> 6:73
56 >>> 6:93
57 >>> 6:128
58 >>> 6:141
59 >>> 6:158
60 >>> 7:14
61 >>> 7:32
62 >>> 7:51
63 >>> 7:53
64 >>> 7:59
65 >>> 7:163
66 >>> 7:163
67 >>> 7:167
68 >>> 7:172
69 >>> 8:41
70 >>> 8:41
71 >>> 8:48
72 >>> 9:3
73 >>> 9:18
74 >>> 9:19
75 >>> 9:25
76 >>> 9:29
77 >>> 9:35
78 >>> 9:36
79 >>> 9:44
80 >>> 9:45
81 >>> 9:77
82 >>> 9:99
83 >>> 9:108
84 >>> 10:15
85 >>> 10:28
86 >>> 10:45
87 >>> 10:60
88 >>> 10:92
89 >>> 10:93
90 >>> 11:3
91 >>> 11:8
92 >>> 11:26
93 >>> 11:43
94 >>> 11:60
95 >>> 11:77
96 >>> 11:84
97 >>> 11:98
98 >>> 11:99
99 >>> 11:103
100 >>> 11:103
101 >>> 11:105
102 >>> 12:54
103 >>> 12:92
104 >>> 14:18
105 >>> 14:31
106 >>> 14:41
107 >>> 14:42
108 >>> 14:44
109 >>> 14:48
110 >>> 15:35
111 >>> 15:36
112 >>> 15:38
113 >>> 16:25
114 >>> 16:27
115 >>> 16:27
116 >>> 16:63
117 >>> 16:80
118 >>> 16:80
119 >>> 16:84
120 >>> 16:89
121 >>> 16:92
122 >>> 16:111
123 >>> 16:124
124 >>> 17:13
125 >>> 17:14
126 >>> 17:52
127 >>> 17:58
128 >>> 17:62
129 >>> 17:71
130 >>> 17:97
131 >>> 18:19
132 >>> 18:19
133 >>> 18:47
134 >>> 18:52
135 >>> 18:105
136 >>> 19:15
137 >>> 19:15
138 >>> 19:15
139 >>> 19:26
140 >>> 19:33
141 >>> 19:33
142 >>> 19:33
143 >>> 19:37
144 >>> 19:38
145 >>> 19:38
146 >>> 19:39
147 >>> 19:85
148 >>> 19:95
149 >>> 20:59
150 >>> 20:64
151 >>> 20:100
152 >>> 20:101
153 >>> 20:102
154 >>> 20:104
155 >>> 20:124
156 >>> 20:126
157 >>> 21:47
158 >>> 21:104
159 >>> 22:2
160 >>> 22:9
161 >>> 22:17
162 >>> 22:47
163 >>> 22:55
164 >>> 22:69
165 >>> 23:16
166 >>> 23:65
167 >>> 23:100
168 >>> 23:111
169 >>> 23:113
170 >>> 23:113
171 >>> 24:2
172 >>> 24:24
173 >>> 24:37
174 >>> 24:64
175 >>> 25:14
176 >>> 25:17
177 >>> 25:22
178 >>> 25:25
179 >>> 25:26
180 >>> 25:27
181 >>> 25:69
182 >>> 26:38
183 >>> 26:82
184 >>> 26:87
185 >>> 26:88
186 >>> 26:135
187 >>> 26:155
188 >>> 26:156
189 >>> 26:189
190 >>> 26:189
191 >>> 27:83
192 >>> 27:87
193 >>> 28:41
194 >>> 28:42
195 >>> 28:61
196 >>> 28:62
197 >>> 28:65
198 >>> 28:71
199 >>> 28:72
200 >>> 28:74
201 >>> 29:13
202 >>> 29:25
203 >>> 29:36
204 >>> 29:55
205 >>> 30:12
206 >>> 30:14
207 >>> 30:43
208 >>> 30:55
209 >>> 30:56
210 >>> 30:56
211 >>> 31:33
212 >>> 32:5
213 >>> 32:25
214 >>> 32:29
215 >>> 33:21
216 >>> 33:44
217 >>> 33:66
218 >>> 34:30
219 >>> 34:40
220 >>> 34:42
221 >>> 35:14
222 >>> 36:54
223 >>> 36:55
224 >>> 36:59
225 >>> 36:64
226 >>> 36:65
227 >>> 37:20
228 >>> 37:21
229 >>> 37:26
230 >>> 37:144
231 >>> 38:16
232 >>> 38:26
233 >>> 38:53
234 >>> 38:78
235 >>> 38:79
236 >>> 38:81
237 >>> 39:13
238 >>> 39:15
239 >>> 39:24
240 >>> 39:31
241 >>> 39:47
242 >>> 39:60
243 >>> 39:67
244 >>> 40:15
245 >>> 40:16
246 >>> 40:16
247 >>> 40:17
248 >>> 40:17
249 >>> 40:18
250 >>> 40:27
251 >>> 40:29
252 >>> 40:30
253 >>> 40:32
254 >>> 40:33
255 >>> 40:46
256 >>> 40:49
257 >>> 40:51
258 >>> 40:52
259 >>> 41:19
260 >>> 41:40
261 >>> 41:47
262 >>> 42:7
263 >>> 42:45
264 >>> 42:47
265 >>> 43:39
266 >>> 43:65
267 >>> 43:68
268 >>> 44:10
269 >>> 44:16
270 >>> 44:40
271 >>> 44:41
272 >>> 45:17
273 >>> 45:26
274 >>> 45:27
275 >>> 45:28
276 >>> 45:34
277 >>> 45:35
278 >>> 46:5
279 >>> 46:20
280 >>> 46:20
281 >>> 46:21
282 >>> 46:34
283 >>> 46:35
284 >>> 50:20
285 >>> 50:22
286 >>> 50:30
287 >>> 50:34
288 >>> 50:41
289 >>> 50:42
290 >>> 50:42
291 >>> 50:44
292 >>> 51:12
293 >>> 51:13
294 >>> 52:9
295 >>> 52:13
296 >>> 52:46
297 >>> 54:6
298 >>> 54:8
299 >>> 54:19
300 >>> 54:48
301 >>> 55:29
302 >>> 56:50
303 >>> 56:56
304 >>> 57:12
305 >>> 57:12
306 >>> 57:13
307 >>> 57:15
308 >>> 58:6
309 >>> 58:7
310 >>> 58:18
311 >>> 58:22
312 >>> 60:3
313 >>> 60:6
314 >>> 62:9
315 >>> 64:9
316 >>> 64:9
317 >>> 64:9
318 >>> 65:2
319 >>> 66:7
320 >>> 66:8
321 >>> 68:24
322 >>> 68:39
323 >>> 68:42
324 >>> 69:35
325 >>> 70:4
326 >>> 70:8
327 >>> 70:26
328 >>> 70:43
329 >>> 70:44
330 >>> 73:14
331 >>> 73:17
332 >>> 74:9
333 >>> 74:46
334 >>> 75:1
335 >>> 75:6
336 >>> 76:7
337 >>> 76:10
338 >>> 76:11
339 >>> 76:27
340 >>> 77:12
341 >>> 77:13
342 >>> 77:14
343 >>> 77:35
344 >>> 77:38
345 >>> 78:17
346 >>> 78:18
347 >>> 78:38
348 >>> 78:39
349 >>> 78:40
350 >>> 79:6
351 >>> 79:35
352 >>> 79:46
353 >>> 80:34
354 >>> 82:15
355 >>> 82:17
356 >>> 82:18
357 >>> 82:19
358 >>> 83:5
359 >>> 83:6
360 >>> 83:11
361 >>> 83:34
362 >>> 85:2
363 >>> 86:9
364 >>> 90:14
365 >>> 101:4
The word Days, plural, repeated 30 times (3 ywm-ayn two days + 27 ayyaam days) Even in this split numbers one can make a strong argument for its correspondence to sidereal period and synodic period. Add to it the fact that Moon (قمر) is mentioned 27 times in the Quran and once as the crescent.
1 >>> 2:80
2 >>> 2:184
3 >>> 2:184
4 >>> 2:185
5 >>> 2:196
6 >>> 2:203
7 >>> 2:203
8 >>> 3:24
9 >>> 3:41
10 >>> 3:140
11 >>> 5:89
12 >>> 7:54
13 >>> 10:3
14 >>> 10:102
15 >>> 11:7
16 >>> 11:65
17 >>> 14:5
18 >>> 22:28
19 >>> 25:59
20 >>> 32:4
21 >>> 34:18
22 >>> 41:9
23 >>> 41:10
24 >>> 41:12
25 >>> 41:16
26 >>> 45:14
27 >>> 50:38
28 >>> 57:4
29 >>> 69:7
30 >>> 69:24
The word Month repeated 12 times
1 >>> 2:185
2 >>> 2:185
3 >>> 2:194
4 >>> 2:194
5 >>> 2:217
6 >>> 5:2
7 >>> 5:97
8 >>> 9:36
9 >>> 34:12
10 >>> 34:12
11 >>> 46:15
12 >>> 97:3
If you are in doubt concerning what We have sent down unto Our servant (Muhammad), then bring a chapter like it, and call your witnesses, apart from God, if you are truthful. (2:23)
ReplyDeleteThis Quran is not such as to be forged by (any one) but (it is a revelation from) God, but it is a confirmation of (the Scriptures) that went before it and (the clearest) explanation of the Book, wherein is no doubt, from the Lord of all being. Or do they say, ‘He (Muhammad) has forged it?’ Say you: ‘Bring you then a chapter like it and call on (to your aid) whomsoever you can, apart from God (because He has sent it down), if you are truthful. (10:37-38)
Say you: “(Even) if men and jinn get united to produce the like of this Quran, they will never produce its like, even though some of them to the others be helpers.” (17:88)
Hmm, no reply? The disbelievers all are talk and no action! :-)
Yes Dawn I know, I know :)
ReplyDeleteActually what you said makes little to no sense since you are taking every situation where the word "day" is used (your day, my day, ect).
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I can see there is you seeing things where there aren't really anything : Pareidolia.
(by the way, 12 * 30 =360, not 365)
Better luck next time.
Hmmmm, 12*30 = 360 *shakes head* let me break it down for you :)
ReplyDeleteDay (calender day)= 365 days in a year
Days = 30 days in a month
month = 12 months in a year
Look closely and try to figure out the different sounds in the summary even if you don't know Arabic ywm-ezen looks and sound very different than just ywm. The point is that besides the addition of suffixes that render them other than plain day, that day, your day and their day does not refer to a calender day either.
There, I hope now you can appreciate the complexity at work.
I am 32 from YA. Dude you look like an expert in mathematics. Did you masters in mathematics..?
ReplyDeleteHi, this particular challenge doesn't really require a masters in maths, if you can count, you can verify it :)
ReplyDeleteYou should be writer Life Guru, your words are pretty good.
ReplyDeleteBut lets get down to buisness I wouldn't join Islam because,I see at as I violent religion. I know you would say that the Shiites are the ones that do that,yes I know but it seems to be an aggressive religion. I also beleive in Catholicism, have you ever considered Catholicism, it IS the right religion.
Also I wouldn't join because I love bacon! Lol
hahahahahahah!!!!
:D
I respect your religion as I hope you respect my religion.
Thank you for your time.
I do understand your perception but here is the thing, Islam can only be correctly interpreted through the very words of God. The actual wrong practices of Muslims is not a logical way to conclude that Islam is a violent religion. My checksum based test is designed to counter this very dilemma of determining the true nature of Islam. If one were to establish that Quran is the very word of God then everything else becomes redundant in a heartbeat, including what is practiced or preached by an individual (s) claiming to be a Muslim.
ReplyDeleteJazak Allahu khair =)
ReplyDelete(found you from yahoo answers)
May Allah bless the believers and guide us all to the straight path. Ameen!
Ramadan Mubarak Inshallah! =)
Thank you for visiting my blog and Ramadan Mubarak to you as well. May God help you secure your Paradise and ease your path getting there :)
ReplyDeleteRamadan mubarak
ReplyDeleteHi. Why do you need these "Mathematical" "Miracles" to convince yourself that god is real.?
ReplyDeleteDidn't you believe in Whar Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)said..?
I think you completely missed the point:) the math is to verify which claim among dozens of claims is the authentic communication from God. The same goes for the reports ascribed to the Prophet Mohammad Pbuh. Question is; how do you know which scripture or reports is authentic if you don't want to break the exclusivity of belief in one God and take the word of a mere mortal?
ReplyDeleteSee, I understand how inspired you are by the numbers in the Quran. It could only be a work of genius.
ReplyDeleteI'm a Muslim - born one, but kind of struggling with belief at the moment. So I got some questions for you.
Why is the number 30 important for days (lunar cycles are a bit less than that, yea?)? If the Islamic calendar is of 354/355 days, then why 365? It's very easy to look for meaning in what there very well could be no meaning. Or could simply be a work of genius (there are and have been amazing, amazing people out there...). I mean, it's close, but it's not the level of accuracy I would expect if this is revelation from God.
I'm interested in knowing what you think. In the meantime, I'll be making my way through some of your other posts. Thanks.
As far as the numeric coding in the Quran goes, word repetition is at the lower end of complexity and easiest of the lot so far discovered to verify. As I pointed out in the post above, the ease of verification was one of the reasons why I picked this particular example.
ReplyDeleteIf you are interested in the subject please read the post here http://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2010/12/short-intro-to-four-serious-attempts-at.html to appreciate the complexity at work.
I am not trying to side step your specific queries, it's just that once the verification process pierce through ones threshold of believability,(mine is pretty high :) the questioning stops and questions start with the view to race toward understanding it all.
Any how, 12 month is almost Universal so we don't need to address it, as for the days, Quran is not restricted to the Muslim calender. The Quran is a gift to all of humanity and celestially, a more stable calender is when the days are defined through the relationship of the sun to the earth. One can further speculate as to why it is so, could it be that the count may be an indication when the hour should be expected. Could it be that before the actual calender year dips below say 364.5 (principle of rounding), we should see it all ends :)
But to answer it more simply, the actual fact is that God chose 365 to be the measure to give us a clear sign and we should appreciate the gesture.
If I may add to your clarification: "365" is the universally recognized number for "days in a year", just as "30" is for days in a month. If you ask a random stranger on the street what these two numbers remind them of, very likely they'll affirm the above. On the other hand, "354" is a more obscure figure, only known by those familiar with the Hijri calendar. So for maximum reachability across all demographics, 365 & 30 makes perfect practical sense :).
DeleteAnyway, let not the argument between the merit of 365 vs 354 distract us from the main point: the miraculous fact that the word count is precisely recognizable as meaningful. How to explain that? Coincidence? pre-planned? painstaking revision & rewordings?
your are a twat. I do not normaly resort to invective but this takes the biscuit. The whole thing consists of gibberish. The best comment is from a believer who says 'why bother, look at the words'. This shows that what you say is drivel. It doues not mean anything to a believer so it will mean less to an atheist such as myself. To me it is puerile trash and am now bored with the whole thing and will now stop.
ReplyDeleteIain@ In the true tradition of most Atheists, the way to deal with empirical evidence is to dismiss it:)because verification would obviously threaten the baseless position of "there is no evidence of God"
ReplyDeleteFor all of you commenting badly about Islam...May Allah forgive you! I would love for you to know that Muslims respect all religions as we are told to do so in the Quran, and i admit other muslims who dont respect you other religions are just arrogant and may god forgive them also.If you think Christianity is the right religion or Catholicism is the right way to go then please explain to me why the Bible has so many different versions and has been written so many times saying so many different things over thousands of years. The Quran has been written once by Allah (god S.W.T) ONLY almost 5000 yrs ago. We Muslims have been following that same word that Prophet Muhammad has taught us ever since. You should look into it more. Ask me anything and im sure i can tell you the truth that makes more sense.
ReplyDeleteNot to judge you, but I read about MANY converts to Islam who used to follow the bible, and when something didnt make sense to them they would ask the leader of the church, "what does this and that mean?" and he would say "Just believe" ????? Does that mean anything at all? Well God bless all that believe in him as ONE and worship no other but him!! Thank You for your time.
If you like mystical meaning in numerology, you would adore The Kabbalah: http://www.kabbalah.com/
ReplyDeleteanontheist@ Kabbalah is good :) However this particular write up has to do with mathematics and has nothing in common with numerology. There is no subjective interpretations at play.
ReplyDeleteOn popular demand here is a more complex test to tackle and in my opinion still many orders removed from the true complexity of the Quranic patterns.
ReplyDeleteMy watered down version of the original challenge from the Quran stands and so far unsurprisingly no takers :)
Here are the parameters;
1 Agree on the length of the number of verses/sentences in your book with the minimum of 6000 in total.
2 Determine that the sumtotal of the all the verses is an exact multiple of a number not less than 5 and have one other number prime number to be used independently as a multiple for words and letters.
4 Link every verse of the book to these multiples.
5 Cross reference each chapter of the book to every other chapter in the book with these prime numbers.
6 Ensure that the distribution of the chapters and verses follow a distinct odd even pattern.
7 Ensure that one of the common multiples extends to positional notation of letter,words and chapters in the book.
8 Have at least 100 numbers in these cross references to be be more than 25 digits long and at least one that is more than a 100 digit long.
9 Keep tract of every number mentioned in the book and ensure that the sum of all numbers used is also a multiple of at least one of the number chosen as the base.
10. Choose a word to represent the central theme of the subject matter and use it at least 2000 times with the final number to be a prime number.
11. Choose at least a dozen words and tie them to their opposites in equal measure and some natural phenomena.
The list goes on but I think this will do for now :)
Now to make it a bit more interesting, the text must be written in rhythmic prose and Please use ink based pens only and animal skins for paper. As you keep writing the book, have at least 100 people memorize the entire book word for word. The book must cover, law, cosmology, general science, dietary guideline, political structure, hygiene, monetary guidelines and general aspect of ethics and morality.
In addition to working on the book,hire at lest 2 professional killers with contracts on your own head, prepare an army to defend against repeated attacks from much better equipped armies and while continue to preach what you write on a daily basis to all comers as part of your routine.
additional challenge:
Delete12. A significant portion of the book must relate to your on-going activities and situations, such that you are able to come up with a page of content within the time it took to answer a question posed by someone you just met - all the while maintaining it in rythmic prose, and ensuring that by the time you are done, the numerical rules above are observed - on your first try, without revision, mind you, since the original version has already been committed to memory of hundreds of your companions.
Does this validate the statement that Surah Ikhlas represents a third of the Qur'an? Beautifully done. I am familiar with some of this from the work of Rashad Khalifa, but clearly the intricacies of the text have been more fully explored since then. Is this your work or from another source? Again, thank you for your work. Salam
ReplyDeleteThe tradition referring to that Surah Ikhlas equals a third of the Qur’an has more to do with in reward than materially. The numeric patterns of the Quran is more of a confirmation of how the Quran comes together as a unit as opposed to certain chapters having more weightage than others.
ReplyDeleteNo this is not my work I am merely standing on the shoulders of giants and trying to spread the word.
Look, I know you think you're really clever, but these are just number tricks. Just because you are amazed by them, or no one can precisely replicate them, doesn't mean they are the result of a miracle. It would have been trivially simple for Allah to put something really amazing in the Quran, why not some ENGLISH? lol, if there was a paragraph in ENGLISH, I think that would convince a lot of people, and why not? It's Allah after all, he can do anything right? Even if it wasn't understood by anyone for hundreds of years. But instead, it's just riddles and puzzles and number games. Did Allah really not foresee that MOST of the people in the world would NOT speak Arabic and therefore NOT be able to judge it for themselves? If we're ALL supposed to be his children, I think I didn't really got a fair chance to make up my mind, I didn't even really HEAR about Islam until I was probably 10 or older, how's that fair?
ReplyDeleteAs for your little number games, you are too easily impressed. Can you work out how THESE things are done? Can you find someone to repeat these fetes? :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyhz2m-UuQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart
Composed symphonies at the age of 5!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet
Can recite pi to 22500 decimal places from memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Peek
can recall thousands of zip codes, phone codes, dates and countless facts and figures.
I guess these all must be miracles too because I can't work out how they do it. Can you?
Although this is interesting, this isn't what's really "miraculous" about the Qur'an this is:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/
Take a little look at the link, and then see why the Qur'an is literally inimitable: The 16 Bihar.
Enjoy :).
I am aware of the literary brilliance aspect of Quran's inimitability :) and traditionally that is what is understood by it but here is the thing; how does an ordinary person verify it? Even one that knows the Arabic language but is not a literary expert.
ReplyDeleteBesides the literary aspect there are countless scientific angles through which Quran's inimitability can be establishes and I am sure one day when science advance to such a stage that it is able to spot a scientific "miracle" in every verse that scientist will be able to vouch for the same inimitability which is currently restricted to certain verses and so on.
Coming back to the 16 Bihar, it is still a subjective criteria, Quran does not mention the 16 Bihar although it may be common knowledge in literary circles but once again we are introducing an outside element that is not mentioned in the Quran other than a general reference to the Arabic language in a separate context.
Quran is addressed to the ordinary person on the street, God will not in my opinion make a claim of inimitability that is well out of reach of ordinary people or dependent on expert knowledge and ultimately a subjective call. Please read my note (a bit long) "Mother of all arguments" http://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2011/11/mother-of-all-arguments.html where I have elaborated on the subject and included the one single example which anybody with a middle school education can verify directly without having to either rely on experts or become an expert him/herself.
The above post is more of an exercise to give a firsthand feel to producing a layered alpha-numeric text and is based on the lowest form of complexity found in the Quran, that is word count.
The Qur'an challenges any human to produce a book like it, I don't see why this challenge is so difficult if the inimitability was not measurable; the story of the 16 Bihar, although not mentioned in the Qur'an but neither is Code 19 or 7 or any other "miraculous" idea, is measurable. The Qur'an challenges us to produce ONE chapter like it, the shortest chapter is 3 lines, producing more than 3 lines without falling into one of the Bihar is literally impossible. Therefore, measurable/literal inimitability is more credible than the "I believe the Qur'an is so beautiful it can't be matched" story. I am aware the challenge concerning the 16 Bihar is limited to those who possess (highly) expanded knowledge of the Arabic language, I think the "ordinary person on the street" will be a little more convinced if even those of expanded knowledge admitted the impossibility of the task.
ReplyDeleteLikewise, the alpha-numeric nature of the Qur'an is hardly mentioned within the text, is it? :)
You are welcome to read my two post which should answer most of your objections here;
ReplyDeletehttp://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2011/03/case-for-mathematics.html
and
http://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2011/04/update-on-case-for-mathematics.html
But here is the thing, I know you are good at parsing the Arabic language, so tell me what does these words in the Quran refer to here "... وَمَا جَعَلْنَا عِدَّتَهُمْ إِلَّا فِتْنَةً لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ......." Quran 74:31
and here
وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَاكَ سَبْعًا مِّنَ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنَ الْعَظِيمَ
Quran 15:87
As you are well aware of there is no consensus as to what are these two "numbers" referring to.
I know there has been a number of brave attempts at coming up with plausible explanations but that's all they are, "different" possible explanations.
I will just paste an excerpt from my other post and you decide which possible explanation is more plausible :)
And it’s all about Seven, the often repeating. Quran 15:87 with 19 thrown in as well, confirming the two major numerical indicators so far discovered that has no other apparent meaning in the context of their respective verses.
And even the sum and multiples of the number of the chapter and verse is perfectly in sync;
15:87 = 1+5+8+7=21=7 +7+7=7 x 3=1x5x8x7=280/7=40 by the way 7 is the first number mentioned in the Quran.
We must realize we haven't even properly scratched the surface. Let me just add a few relevant facts to the above example in order to underline how this single number is interlinked with the entire Quran.
There are exactly 77 chapter between the first chapter where the occurrence of the 7 is to be found the first time and the last chapter where the last occurrence of seven is to be found but that is not all, when we count the number of verses between the first occurrence of the number 7 and the last occurrence of the number 7, we find that there are precisely 5649 verses between them, the number is a multiple of 7, (807x7) of course.. From chapter to verse but it does not stop there, from another angle, the number of verses from the beginning of the chapter where the first occurrence of 7 is recorded is exactly 28 (7x4), in fact we now bore down to the number of words, 406 (7x58), even the sum total of all the versus in the Quran Sum(1:6236) =19,446,966 is also is a multiple of 7. Add to it the total number of 7s in the Quran 28 (7x4) and on the textual level the mention of 7 heavens mentioned exactly seven times for instance and much much more, all makes this discovery nothing short of impossible to duplicate, as rightly claimed by the Quran.
(I am still cross checking certain numbers, please jump in if you find an error. Thanks)
And please tell me how "Seven of the oft-repeated" gets us to the mathematical miracle you found concerning the number 7? That's the thing I can't really get. It seems to carry more of a different message than that of numeric miraculousness.
ReplyDeleteThe reason I've always been wary of "miracle 19" is Rashad Khalifa, who, rather than finding the miracle in the Quran, adjusted the quran's lettering/wording to make a miracle. I'm sure you know of how he deliberately miscounted letters etc.
Another thing is, I've once again lost your email. Sorry :P I've carried out a "comprehensive" study of women's dress-code, and would like ur opinion (much better than the first one I sent).
I'd like to ask, are you a fluent Arabic speaker? Also, are you a convert/revert? Just curious as to see whether Arabic us ur mother tongue or you learnt it? thanks. :)
Salam, you said;
ReplyDelete"And please tell me how "Seven of the oft-repeated" gets us to the mathematical miracle you found concerning the number 7?"
What message does it carry :)and that is the whole point.
Yes it is true that Rashad Khalifa after a promising start lost his way but maths is maths, you don't need anybody to verify an observed phenomenon, straightforward application of the rules will do. Some elements of his works don't add up others do, again, the discovery is no longer dependent on his personal interpretation of it. Neither should his fudging of some portion of the nineteen based structure render the entire findings invalid. In any case the field has move on well beyond Rashad Khalifa.
First of all I did not discover the seven based patterns, I merely contributed it in a very small way. All the credit goes to Al kaheel.
Regardless of which pattern we analyze, the signature of God is found in its complexity. If it is complex enough to be beyond man's capabilities than it must be what it claims to be, a revelation from God, the one objectively testable attribute of God, intelligence without measure.
I have devised a small personal test here http://lifecheat.blogspot.com/2010/04/so-why-wont-you-do-it.html for getting a explicit firsthand feel for what it is that these pattterns signify and why it would be much easier to take on the task of creating the Milky Way Galaxy than try to produce a Quran like work :)
You can email me at submission114@gmail.com, woman dress code is the visible face of Islam and like you I am actively researching it. Would love to see what you have found :)
Assalamualaikum,
ReplyDeleteCould you please type the arabic word also in arabic please? يوم for "yawm", but how about ywm-kum, ywm-hum, ywm-ayn, ayyaam, ywm-ezen. It's difficult to browse online quran for those words in arabic cos many of us cant type arabic font in our computer (so only copy-paste).
Salam, good idea, i will try and add the Arabic as well, in fact I am right now busy with something exactly on the lines you pointed out :)
DeleteAre you sunni? the shia must not agree with your translation. Not any online sources makes all your 'incomplete-self-claims', unverifiable
ReplyDeleteTry following links responsibly:
www.1000mistakes.com
www.barenakedislam.com
www.suralikeit.com
www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Qur'an
Thanks for visiting my humble blog and thanks for the links to the irresponsible hate sites :)
DeleteHint: The way I approach the issue is pretty straightforward and made possible by God gifting us the methodology of interpreting His revelations that are completely free of contradictions in spite of the comical attempts to prove otherwise.
If our interpretation of a verse is contradicting another verse of the Quran then either our interpretation of the first verse is incorrect or our interpretation of the second verse is incorrect. And of course there is always the possibility that both of our interpretations are wrong. Hence time to seek another interpretation
BTW I am a Muslims.Period
If you are interested in Islam, please stop making sense of Islam through the "reviews" of others. There is one single look up book, how difficult can that be :)
Salaam,
ReplyDeleteIt is so exhiliratingly refreshing to discover a Muslim writer who's evidently aware of logical fallacies and is well versed with various methods of rationality! :) I am eagerly looking forward to reading the rest of your writings which I am confident is much more rigorous than the typical discourses.
Anyway, I noticed that in your summary above you mentioned plural days (ayyaam) to have 27 counts, whereas in your listing after that you showed 30 instances, so i thought there's an error in your writing. Only upon re-reading did I realize that you included the two-days (ywm-ayn) into that listing. Perhaps you can explicitly explain that you are grouping as such, or alternatively list the two-day instances separately, so that others won't similarly misunderstand. I'm more inclined to the former, as then one can relate the sum 30 to the heuristical number of days in a Gregorian month, further increasing the wow factor - and perhaps mention also that 27 is the number of days in a sidereal lunar month.
Salam Nizal, thank you for visiting my humble blog and the kind words. Took you suggestion and edited the 30 days split figures. Please feel free to use any material on my blog without reference. The idea is to spread the word.
DeleteWill reply to your other comments.