These are the very words of God, we should ask, what is going on?
How does "Lahw Al-Hadith" translate into "Idle talk" and than interpreted as "music"
Here is the Arabic for Quran 31:06
ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث ليضل عن سبيل الله بغير علم ويتخذها هزوا اولئك لهم عذاب مهين
Lets keep Quran 54:17 in mind at all times
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition? [Quran 54:17]
Note: Earlier I had posted the same question but mixed up the number of the verse, user "foamy" was kind enough to point it out, I prefer to post fresh rather than leave a Quranic verse not labeled properly. Any inconvenience to those in the middle of answering is regretted.
Here is the Arabic for Quran 31:06
ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث ليضل عن سبيل الله بغير علم ويتخذها هزوا اولئك لهم عذاب مهين
Lets keep Quran 54:17 in mind at all times
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition? [Quran 54:17]
Note: Earlier I had posted the same question but mixed up the number of the verse, user "foamy" was kind enough to point it out, I prefer to post fresh rather than leave a Quranic verse not labeled properly. Any inconvenience to those in the middle of answering is regretted.
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Animal Seeking Kindness観音かんのん: Here is another suggestion,
Stay clear of concepts alien to the true teachings of Islam, like abrogation and Shaan-e-Nuzool (Circumstances of a Revelation.) and keep clear of some translations if you don't understand Arabic, like the following
Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Ibn Kathir, Dawood, George Sale and JM Rodwell.
The other body of Islamic literature is the Ahadith, extreme caution is needed since a large number of fake Ahadith can be found in the popular compilations like Bukhari, Muslim etc
Once you have taken the above to heart I am sure you will change your mind.
Thanks for your advise but we do this 24/7, give us some credit please:)
Stay clear of concepts alien to the true teachings of Islam, like abrogation and Shaan-e-Nuzool (Circumstances of a Revelation.) and keep clear of some translations if you don't understand Arabic, like the following
Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Ibn Kathir, Dawood, George Sale and JM Rodwell.
The other body of Islamic literature is the Ahadith, extreme caution is needed since a large number of fake Ahadith can be found in the popular compilations like Bukhari, Muslim etc
Once you have taken the above to heart I am sure you will change your mind.
Thanks for your advise but we do this 24/7, give us some credit please:)
21 hours ago
Nawab: the question still stand even after trying to label other users in the hope that the question will go away, here it is again, How does "Lahw Al-Hadith" translate into "Idle talk" and than interpreted as "music"
Binte islam: please see above:) starting with How does "Lahw Al-Hadith"
Binte islam: please see above:) starting with How does "Lahw Al-Hadith"
21 hours ago
As ti the Hadith you quoted, It is a very well known deception to mix the good with the bad as was done in this obvious fake Hadith (Bukhari or no Bukhari) " people who permit zinaa, (Haram) silk, (Not Haram), alcohol ( Strongly advised against) and musical instruments (Not Haram)" , classic case :)
21 hours ago
Nawab: So the personal attacks continue, if your sole argument is that we should avoid anything and everything that distract us from the remembering God, I have a suggestion, stop eating, sleeping, working LOL what logic what Fiqr, I think you don't know Arabic and if you do than you really are convinced that nobody else knows it, don't you understand logic, "Lahw Al-Hadith" does not mean Idle talk, that is one removed from the original and music does not mean idle talk, that is two removed from "Lahw Al-Hadith", its like saying potatoes mean tomatoes because both are vegetables and tomatoes means rose because both are red, therefore a potatoes is a rose LOL
20 hours ago
Nawab: If music can distract you from remembering God, I think you are not doing it right. Another option, haven't you heard of one thing at a time :) and yet another, what if you use music to remember God?
20 hours ago
►ѕнαнку яαмα∂α◄: Oh that one is simple. it means vain or unfounded "Hadith", won't that be a simple way to understand it in line with the Quran 54:17 :)
20 hours ago
Since you asked, can you please enlighten us as to which specific Hadith explains which specific verse in the Quran :), you are aware that in Bukhari's collection a full 28 Surahs are left blank.
20 hours ago
►ѕнαнку яαмα∂α◄: Oh no, there is no personal interpretations here I am merely translating it into English, if you need to know what does the word "Ahadith" means in Arabic, please look it up in a dictionary :)
19 hours ago
confused: Nothing can be further from the truth, although it is "OLD-Arabic" as you put it, more to the point It is importance to note that the classical Arabic and even the Quresh dialect is not extinct. It is a living language still spoken by a large number of tribes, further more the language is to be found in a very large body of poetry and for the common people (both Arabic speaking and non-Arabs) preserved in several dictionaries; like Al-Mufridaat Fi Ghareebil Qur’an,Tajil ‘Uroos, Lisanil ‘Arab, Qamoos, Lane’s Lexicon. If you are willing to research than there is no problem.
18 hours ago
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- There is nothing easier than twisting the true meaning of the verses to make it fit in their ahadiths ! What a shame !!
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Is the Q about "Sorry I mixed up the numbers ? "Wow , I didn't know that . Reread the Q honey instead of showing your real IQ level .- 9 Rating: Good Answer
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- It seems like people who didn't like music twisted the meaning. Christians in the US have done the same thing to pretend the Bible forbids everything from comic books, to radio, to television, to video games.
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- bro, idle talk means gossiping or any discussion that is not useful
what i have interpreted(correct me) if im wrong that Allah has forbidded from any such kind of discussions that are mentally not god for us
such as gossiping and backbiting because of these people make wrong decision build hatred against each other, where as good music is considered best supplement of mind, but until and unless music is not encouraging us for shirk!!!
so they have twisted the meaning of idle talk to music
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31:7 When Our signs are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he did not hear them, as if there is deafness in his ears. So announce to him a painful retribution.
Read 31:7 too, the matter becomes very clear, hadithist take Lahwal hadith as music, on the bases of a sahaby who swore three times that
Lahwal hadith means music !!
by the way only arab musical instruments are Halal, and rest all haram keep that in mind too !
one may sing battle songs
"One day," 'A'isha said, "the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came in when I was playing with my dolls and said, "'A'isha, whatever game is this?' 'It is Solomon's horses,' I replied, and he laughed." On another occasion, during the days of the Id al Adha, two young girls were with 'A'isha in her room, singing a song about the famous battle of Bu'ath and beating a tambourine in time. "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) came in," said 'A'isha, 'and lay down with his face turned away. Then Abu Bakr came, and scolded me, saying, 'What is this musical instrument of Shaytan doing in the house of the Messenger of Allah?' The Messenger of Allah turned towards him and said, 'Leave them alone, for these are the days of the 'Id.'"- 2 Rating: Good Answer
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Islam is a religion, (emphasis on religion) of piece. A piece of an innocent person here and a piece of an innocent person there, after they detonate a suicide bomb.
Have you actually read The Koran? It is not very peaceful. It actually instigates violence. I would suggest you read it.
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Why have you not translated the Ayah & instaed a diff Ayah? What are you trying to prove????????????
Anything that distracts the mind (any type) be it music, gossiping, unnessary talkng is all considered "Idle talk". something that takes you away from or distracts you from Allah is forbidden in Islam & every religion .& How would you translate "Lahw Al Hadith"?
Edit: Fajr is the last one, one can take any advice from or learn from about Islam. She is a Quranist & they only interprate the Quran to their wishes & desires thinking they are well qualified to understand every single verse of the Quran & Shaytan is their guide astagfirullah.
Edit: I think you do understand English??????????? " How woukld you interprate "Lahw Al -Hadith"? Is music something that does not distract you from Allah? Or you can say your salah & read Quran in full concentration while the music is still on? we don't even need music even the slightest things drift our mind to a world of dreams & desires, music is way to big of a Lahw.- 7 Rating: Good Answer
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What the nonsense for the first three people who answer the question.If you three cannot answer properly just leave the question don't bother to answer it.
Common guys,He is saying sorry that he mix up the numbers.
To the you (questioner).
Good that you correct it.But may i know whats your question exactly is ???
Salaam
What i understand from the term is
Allaah said, what translated means, "And of mankind he who purchases idle talks to mislead (people) from the Path of Allaah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allaah) by way of mockery, For such there will be a humiliating torment." [31:6].
Al-Wahidi , along with other scholars of Tafsir (explaining the Qur'aan), said that "Idle Talk" in this Ayah is singing. The following companions gave this Tafsir: Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud, Mujahid and Ikrimah . Ibn Masud said, "By Allaah, whom there is no God except Him, idle talk is singing."
The Prophet said (which means), "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allaah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." [Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v].
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If your claim is that Qur'aan is self-explained - that everything is explained in Qur'aan itself.
tell us , what is the explanation of "Lahw al-Hadeeth" or Idle talk in Qur'aan ?
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@ Asker , I'm not asking you about your own explanation. i am asking you what is the explanation of "Lahw al-Hadeeth" in Qur'aan itself since you claim that Qur'aan is self-explained - that everything is explained in Qur'aan itself.
when you claim that Qur'aan is self-explained , how come you say "Lahw al-Hadeeth" means vain or unfounded "Hadeeth". that's your own interpretation - not in Qur'aan it self.
and you are trying to change the topic !!!
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@ Asker , you are contradicting yourself !!!
"Lahw al-Hadeeth" is translated into English as " Idle talk".
you interpreted it (i.e Lahw al-Hadeeth / Idle talk ) as vain or unfounded "Hadeeth".
where does it came from ? when you claim that everything is explained in Qur'aan itself , how come you say it means vain or unfounded "Hadeeth" ?
I do not see any where in Qur'aan about the explanation of "Lahw al-Hadeeth".so from where you got your Interpretation ? isn't it your "personal interpretations ?
and i am not asking you about the meaning of "Ahadeeth" .
"Lahw al-Hadeeth" is one word. i am asking you the expalanation of this word in Qur'aan itself. !!!
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Quran Says: Anything that distracts from the remembrance of thy lord is "Idle Talks".
Nawab's comments are correct. In my Q&A with Fajr, she failed to defend RK and failed to present Quranic verses to support RK and still follows him by saying that he did not bring a new religion BUT was a purifier, QUESTION is who authorized him to purify.?
Allah foretold the victory of Rome, then why Allah failed (Astaghfirullah) to foretell us about next coming of Messenger of covenant RK.
Isa (pbuh) prophesied about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in 61:6, and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Or Allah never prophsied about any new messenger.
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Thumb downers, you can't even prove your "Messenger" from Quran. hahahahahaha
Give me more thumbs down, if that satisfies you. :)
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This is OLD-Arabic you are talking about.
we have no knowledge about the Arabic back then! the scholors do though
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so, what dose "lahwa al hadeeth" means??
you didn't post anything to explain the real meaning, yes?
what do, or the other RK followers think it means(I know that non of you can read Arabic)?
I mean you can't object on something, without having another explanation in mind.
so, enlighten us.
you are the one that said you can understand the Quran without the need of the prophet peace be upon him, saying.
don't run a way, and face your own argument, you are posting things without any knowledge nor background about the issue.
you cant copy your Qs. from false messengers sites and post them here without having the right knowledge to explain.
I told you before, you can't lie then run.
we have many Hadoiths about the music, and lets keep this verse(which you have no explanation for it) in mind:
وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
And We have also revealed the Dhikr to you so that you may clearly explain to men what was revealed to them, and that perhaps they may reflect.)
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@Fajer
loool, you are making a fool out of your self, exactly like the asker and all the RK followers.
are you serious?? you believe that you will go to heaven if you died under the age of 40, and your false messenger used a verse from the Quran to justify his lie, you didn't abject on that, yes??
God, I don't know how you people can live with such contradiction.
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